We plan on taking ours on our next camping trip with the boys. It's cheaper than buying ricks of firewood for $3 a piece. Don't know what to do with the videos and Kingdom Melodies CDs though. They don't burn as well.
Steph
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What do you do with your old liturature?
by Gadget in.
i'm in the middle of decorating my new house, and was a bit stuck as to what to use to mask off the furniture/carpets etc until i spotted an oldv pile of watchtowers that i'd been meaning to throw out.
i now have paint spattered watchtowers all over my living room.. anybody else got any good things to use old liturature for?
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Tribute to the Troops (USA)
by Uzzah inthe following is a link to a slideshow prepared as a tribute to the military men and women protecting their country.
yes it is focused on the us military.
this is not about iraq or whether or not you like the usa.
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You who have never lived in a different country would not understand how it looks to those of us who are looking in.
Ok, so enlighten me (and I'm not being sarcastic), how do we look to those of you "looking in"?
Brandon
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Tribute to the Troops (USA)
by Uzzah inthe following is a link to a slideshow prepared as a tribute to the military men and women protecting their country.
yes it is focused on the us military.
this is not about iraq or whether or not you like the usa.
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Also, we who live in countries outside of America and Canada can spot nationalistic propaganda more readily. We're not exposed to it as much, so whilst an American might see it as "supporting the troops", it comes across to us as "yet another piece of American propaganda".
So you *don't* believe in supporting those troops? Those men and women who have left families, jobs, and friends behind to risk their lives to protect others? And remember, its not just US troops. It's UK, several european countries, and if the UN gets involved more than likely there will be Australians there as well.
Could you explain more about what you mean by "American propaganda"?
regards,
Brandon
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How long do you think being a JW will affect you?
by Adam ini haven't been on this board for a while.
i've been on a conservative ezboard trying to see if we can't do something about political issues.
i've also got a new job, had to get the car fixed, been best man in a wedding, and watched the two towers on vhs.
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Unfortunately, I think it will haunt us all to a degree forever. We're newly out but both born into it. Take it slowly, and don't expect to heal the wounds immediately. This is not like a bandaid. No matter how quickly or slowly you pull it off, it will always hurt . Just live. Now that you can.
Stephanie
P.S. Congrats on your exit, and welcome. You'll find alot of sympathy here.
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Okay...who are the "girly girls" here
by berylblue ini admit to it (as i'm spraying on my chanel christalle and putting on my make up.
spent last night tearing through vogue; my mani/pedi appointment is tonight.....).
no, "admit to it" isn't the correct sentiment.
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Yes, I am the female of the two (there has been some confusion in recent chats on line with some of you and Brandon). He was mistaken for me. I don't know if you'd call me girly or not. I was a tom-boy and up in a tree or in the dirt, sometimes in that order when gravity became an issue, until I was 15. I developed all girly "attributes" early, though. I was offered a modeling job at 17.But of course this was nixed before the offer was completely out of their mouth, by my parents, because we're not supposed to flaunt looks....etc. I always hated the girly stuff my sister and her friends did though. They loved to shop, hunt for men, and get into heated discussions as to which new nail polish complimented their newest "dub" outfit for the meetings. Most of the guys they were trying to trap were my friends and I enjoyed their discussions on how in love the guys were with them. They didn't have a clue.
As for now, though, I almost always wear make-up, but not that you could scrape off with a spoon. Clothes range from nice pants or skirt and a blouse with fixed hair, to jeans (my favorite) , a tee shirt (usually baggy), and a baseball cap. Of course I do have two sons and I learned early on that to be prepared for anything ...and you do have to be... I needed to be comfy and in clothes that could withstand anything .....With make-up and earrings on.
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I've heard all about you!
by SM62 ini have heard about this forum from someone, but i won't say who as i don't want to expose them.
i am in the process of evaluating my life as a jw.
it has been a pretty sad life - without a real feeling of 'belonging'.
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Welcome to the board! Lurk as long as you like! Post when you're comfortable. Lot of nice folks here, probably been through the same stuff you have.
See ya 'round!
Brandon
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Hey people, its a pleasure to meet everyone.....
by CETME inhey guys, thought i'd introduce myself...... my name is lars, and i'm 22... i'm majoring in education here in florida........ i was brought up as a jw, but i never really got into it... because the political side was so corrupt.... right now i'm just trying my best to be a good person, for myself and for god..... .
i'm a little rough around the edges... i shoot guns, race cars, ride bmx..... etc... so i guess my lifestyle didnt suit the jw's as well...... .
anyways, i searched around for a picture of myself, but i really dont have any "normal" ones......... .
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Welcome aboard friend!! From just a little North of you, in Alabama!
Brandon
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Organ transplants, just wondering
by neverthere inseeing that i have never been a jw so i wasn't exposed to the "teachings" they have, i have been wondering after seeing all the suits etc.
filed about transfusions, do jw's permit organ transplants?
i can understand why they in their reasoning wouldn't, but if they do, how do they justify it?
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Wow, Diana, did you ever open a nice big can of worms!!
This is one of the teachings that they have waffled back and forth on for a few decades. First, organ transplants were considered tantamount to cannibalism. I won't go into the rediculous leaps of logic and circular reasoning they used to prove that one, but suffice it to say it was absolute law for at least a couple decades. Then for a while it was a conscience matter, but still frowned on. I think it is still a conscience matter today, as it hasn't been discussed in quite a few years.
It never ceases to amaze me how they have always been dogmatically negative about any new medical breakthrough (anyone remember vaccination, the medical use of leeches, and a host of others?). But over the years, as their negative teachings on it become obviously incorrect, they gradually soften the stance on whatever medical treatment it was.
By the way, our old congregation was the oldest in our state, dating back to the late eighteen hundreds (I have photos of some of them outside the first
Kingdom Hallshack, and they are holding up a big banner with pyramid diagrams on it), and we have Watchtower magazines that date back to 1899. I was reading in one of these once, and the author of the article was griping about, of all things, this new product - sliced bread - and how it was one more example of how lazy "the world" was getting. Unbelievable stuff in those old magazines. Miracle wheat, demonic posessions, egyptian pyramids and their geometry correlating with Bible chronology and prophecy, etc.Just be glad you were "neverthere"!
Best regards,
Brandon
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Hi, my introduction.....finally.
by MonkeyPrincess ini have been reading posts for a while, but everytime i try and post my intro, i dont know what to say, so i suppose i will just write what comes to me.
lets see, i was born and raised in the "truth", i have never known anything else my whole life, so this is weird for me to think differently.
i was df'd about 4 years ago when i met my "worldly" husband, i have tried for the past 2 years to be reinstated, but i guess that i have not tried hard enough, according to the elders (who btw have not been very nice or loving toward me).
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Greetings and Welcome!!!
Hang in there, our family is going through very similar waters right now. I know your "head is spinning", but the longer you're out and the more you analyze your former beliefs honestly and openly, the easier it will get.
We've only been on this forum a few weeks, but its obvious that there are a lot of truly caring, kind, and friendly people here. So stick around and enjoy the "interchange of encouragement".
Best regards,
Brandon
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Ethics at work
by joannadandy intoday i was listening to speaking of faith, a program on npr.. http://www.speakingoffaith.org/programs/2003/08/29_whistle/.
they were interviewing colleen rowley, the whistle blower who worked for the fbi and wanted to investigate mussoui, before september 11th.
she was, and so was the host, making the arguement that having a strong religious faith allows one to do the right thing in the face of adversity, and going against the grain, not following the herd blah blah blah.
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This is one of the problems I have had with "the truth" for a long time. Most JW's do what is right (the ones that actually try) out of fear of being killed at Armageddon, or NOT getting to live forever. They don't strive to do good, be ethical, etc., for the "RIGHT" reasons, IMHO.
I have had so many arguments with some of them on this topic. Punishment or reward are not legitimate reasons for doing what is RIGHT, but is rather a self-centered activity. If you are really going to serve with a "pure heart", it should be simply because it IS the Right thing to do. No thought of reward if you do, no thought of punishment if you don't.
Ethics is the same, to me. You don't act ethically in business because you might get caught, or to keep your company's reputation intact, or to keep customers. It is just the RIGHT way for humans to deal with one another!!!
Brandon